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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 02:58:57 PM » |
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I guess you would define compulsory K-12 education as slavery as well?
home school? there is still a required ciricullum / tests to pass |
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 04:37:20 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 04:52:33 PM » |
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I guess you would define compulsory K-12 education as slavery as well?
home school? there is still a required ciricullum / tests to pass yea. slavery, that's what it is! |
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2009, 06:28:00 PM » |
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Mandatory service is patriotic because it strips you of your liberty. Wait a minute there! Your sense of national pride is only present until your country asks something in return.
ASKS? this is MANDATORY=COMPULSORY=ENFORCED If this was an optional program I would say this is good but it isn't! |
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2009, 07:32:02 PM » |
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Good. America needs to kick people in the ass and get them to do their part.. Not only will it help the general society, it will give plenty of 19 - 25 year olds new skills they could actually contribute to during their life.
Service for 1 - 2 years while a young adult is not a bad thing. It gives people a chance to grow up before posting stupid comments on the intraweb and acting like they're better than everyone else.
Didn't we ban you?
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2009, 08:20:43 PM » |
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So, you're basically saying we should tack on a 2 year field trip to the K12 education system.
Wonderful!
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2009, 08:32:10 PM » |
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wait wtf?
sry but anything mandatory along the lines of "civilian national security force" sounds scary. though it doesn't seem details of this have emerged. so according to this short clip in a rally (of which i've seen other vids and articles to confirm validity), this new civilian force is to match the current military's strength, size and budget? doesn't that raise anyone's eyebrow and give a wtf expression?
volunteering? great stuff. mandatory service? no thanks.
regarding national pride: i don't think of it, really. i should be grateful that i live in this country thanks to asylum for my mom. but then again this country is rather responsible for a war that resulted in the deaths of millions of my fellow countrymen.
national pride is great (since several of you seem to proclaim your own), but not when it kills individual thinking.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2009, 08:46:12 PM » |
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national pride is great (since several of you seem to proclaim your own), but not when it kills individual thinking.
My thoughts exactly. Mandatory service strips citizens of their liberty. Liberty is "the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will." Voluntary is fine, but mandatory is wrong. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2009, 08:52:35 PM » |
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I guess you would define compulsory K-12 education as slavery as well?
home school? there is still a required ciricullum / tests to pass as far as i understand, that is not the case, at least in utah. i have a cousin who home schools and her children would never pass any standardized test for their age group. she believes they should only learn what they want at their own pace. right.... my mom is also an elementary school teacher and every couple of years she will have a student who just started going to public school from home school, and generally they are a couple of years behind (10-year-olds who can't read or do basic math). although of course some home school kids do great. |
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2009, 08:55:20 PM » |
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Good. America needs to kick people in the ass and get them to do their part.. Not only will it help the general society, it will give plenty of 19 - 25 year olds new skills they could actually contribute to during their life.
Service for 1 - 2 years while a young adult is not a bad thing. It gives people a chance to grow up before posting stupid comments on the intraweb and acting like they're better than everyone else.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2009, 08:59:40 PM » |
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It's "Civil Defense" training, not missionary work.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2009, 05:18:09 AM » |
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It's "Civil Defense" training, not missionary work.
If you've read, listened to other of their speeches it is not at all a DEFENSE initiative. And personally, I don't care what kind of service it is, if its full time, part time, or how long. I just think having a program that puts younger people in position to learn what being an adult means and contributing to society is good thing. I guess it depends on how you define it. For example if the "Universal" service stated that 20 hours of each week should result in performing service related activities to improve a community and/or its surroundings, and the LDS church modified their mission program from 4 - 8 hours of community service a week to 20, then I say count it. If not, then they should have to do it when they get back.. And please, someone argue the point that enforcing children to get continual education until they're 16 years old has been detrimental to the United States. |
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2009, 06:50:07 AM » |
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Continual education until 16 has had more benefits than detriments, but by the same token - it could be wildly improved. I want someone to try and argue that the public school system is fulfilling even half of its potential.
The idea of compulsory service in and of itself isn't entirely frightening, especially if it's only 3 months. You could meet new people, learn new skills, and maybe get to experience how life really works and get slapped out of your sense of entitlement and laziness. What I worry about is the government implementing it. Consider the public school system; I can't imagine compulsory service would be any better. Meaning, whatever benefit could come from this program would disappear. As I said, if it's compulsory for youths and run by the government right after graduation - it's just going to end up being a 3 month field trip of the public education system.
Maybe we should try and fix the compulsory education system which perpetuates the need for a program like this. Compulsory service could very easily be instated into public education systems across summer breaks and throughout highschool. Although, there does seem to be something key to development in the 18-19 year range, so who knows. I'd just rather see the education system be improved before anything else.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2009, 09:18:51 AM » |
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Why not consider this a part of fixing that education system? Its like your internship period for the job of adult life.
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2009, 04:09:42 PM » |
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No offense laby, but your view of public education is of one of Utah. Which happens to be one of the lowest ranked public education systems in the country. You bet its crap.
It is true that there could be huge improvements made. This could be said of all levels of government.
Even the simple things aren't getting done... for example most the US government is still running on Windows 2000... sigh.
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