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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2009, 08:10:36 PM » |
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Most people wouldn't define this as pork. Pork = Tax deduction for small businesses if they buy a Hummer. Sorry, got my terms backwards... I meant earmark... although supposedly there are no earmarks in this bill... That is because it is only an earmark if it is added in after the original draft. IE: All the shit they added to the last one to get the Republicans to sign on. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 09:34:44 PM » |
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Most people wouldn't define this as pork. Pork = Tax deduction for small businesses if they buy a Hummer. Sorry, got my terms backwards... I meant earmark... although supposedly there are no earmarks in this bill... That is because it is only an earmark if it is added in after the original draft. IE: All the shit they added to the last one to get the Republicans to sign on. Whatever it is, it = crap. I don't think they even need Republican's help, because it passed the house and senate without any of their support (since iirc there's 60 Dems/Independants/Republicans in name only etc, in the Senate ) |
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2009, 05:23:16 AM » |
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Yes logical... Republicans have no say now because they wasted the last 8 years doing absolutely nothing. So, stop complaining, sit back and watch.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2009, 08:28:50 AM » |
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2009, 08:55:13 AM » |
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Yes logical... Republicans have no say now because they wasted the last 8 years doing absolutely nothing. So, stop complaining, sit back and watch.
Lulz, did you even notice the point I was trying to make. Stimulating the economy doesn't mean upgrading the government's computers, nor saving Nanci Pelosi's favorite swampland, nor giving money to banks... its about the American people. They are what make the economy strong. This isn't about party politics (although it would be nice if they stopped the bill). |
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2009, 10:42:22 AM » |
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Well, $500 million to the National Institute of Health is a potential job saver for me and all my co-workers, with any money we receive going to cancer research that could someday benefit everyone else. I imagine a lot of other parts of this package can be viewed as a "good thing" if you understand the reasoning behind it. And then again, I'm sure some of it really is just wasteful.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 12:18:12 PM » |
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Yes logical... Republicans have no say now because they wasted the last 8 years doing absolutely nothing. So, stop complaining, sit back and watch.
Lulz, did you even notice the point I was trying to make. Stimulating the economy doesn't mean upgrading the government's computers, nor saving Nanci Pelosi's favorite swampland, nor giving money to banks... its about the American people. They are what make the economy strong. This isn't about party politics (although it would be nice if they stopped the bill). You've obviously never seen the computers the government is using... And the government spending any money is good for the American People.. If they buy computers from Dell, that creates jobs for Dell employees... Any spending creates jobs. Trust me, my job is dependent on the govt spending money. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2009, 01:16:49 PM » |
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Whatever it is, it = crap.
I don't think they even need Republican's help, because it passed the house and senate without any of their support (since iirc there's 60 Dems/Independants/Republicans in name only etc, in the Senate )
Keep up with the RINO shit and the us against them shit, and you won't have a party in a few years. It's very fun watching the GOP tear itself a part, at this point it's a joke of a party. RUSH LIMBAUGH is your party spokesperson now, and seeing Republicans having to grovel before Lord Rush after insulting is pathetic. The biggest thing the GOP has going for them is that the base always holds their nose and votes Republican as a bloc, whether they like the candidate or not, to save themselves from 'the gays'/losing their assault rifles/muh taxes, and the further to the right that you guys go to save your party, the further you alienate people in the middle that used to vote with that bloc. Then again, the other strong point of the GOP seems to be able to turn any story into something that favors them - look at what happened with this bill. At first it seemed pretty popular, but then you start the TAX CUTS PORK WELFARE SOCIALIST noise and then people think MY TAXES!!!! and all of a sudden it isn't that popular anymore, so we'll see what happens in 2010, and if Reid and Pelosi can grow a spine. I would love to see a third libertarian-style party show up in the next few years, I'd still think they were wrong, but maybe civil discourse would be possible instead of (he's a terrorist Muslim atheist non-American communist socialist BLACK HOUSE LOL). tl;dr version stop with RINO, you're killing your own party |
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2009, 01:39:01 PM » |
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i haven't kept up with this thread much but when was logical labeled as the hardcore republican soldier?  |
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2009, 02:13:09 PM » |
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the whole rino/dino thing is retarded, id rather have my elected officials think for themselves and make their own decisions rather than just follow the political machine
then again i'd also like a ferrari and im guessing i'll have one of those first
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2009, 02:34:46 PM » |
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i haven't kept up with this thread much but when was logical labeled as the hardcore republican soldier? Because I didn't vote for Obama. Anyways, it is quite obvious that the GOP is tearing itself apart because many of its members are trying to move away from the voting base. Also the bill did pass 60-38 (Kennedy and the still unknown Minnesota seat absent), which means 3 Republicans the entire Democratic portion (suprize!), and the two left-leaning independents voted for it. This whole stimulus crap is still retarded though. What should have happened from the start was to let the companies that were failing to file bankruptcy, and restructure themselves so they could come back with a slimmer company that wasn't stuck in too many bad scenarios (i.e. the big 3 and their UAW deals which cost them much more than Honda/Toyota/Nissan of America). Fire their CEO's that were running them into the ground (instead of giving them millions). Have the government spend minimal money (if any). Maybe throw out a few tax breaks to the Middle to Upper-middle class (instead of giving the people that don't pay taxes money). Oh and you want to know why retail sales were down in the last few months? People were severely cutting prices on stock. That TV I got for graduation, which cost $500 (26" insignia LCD) now costs $340. At $500 now you can get a Samsung 32" HDTV. @ Powdered, Rush has been the voice of the party for the last 10 years... where have you been? |
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2009, 02:49:06 PM » |
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Its a good thing that some of the republicans are moving away from the voting base... because their base isn't enough to win. The same way Obama moved away from what was the Democratic base in 2004.
After each election the parties shift their policies to try and scoop up what is the majority Moderate voter.
And Rush is not and has never been the voice of the party. He's the crazy entertainer that non-educated, religious zealots listen to. Republican leaders, and the people donating all their money to further republican agenda, think Rush is a crazy wacko that just happens to convince the other nut jobs that voting Republican is voting for god.
PS, I'm one of the moderate, not crazy, Republican that thinks the current party is a joke and can't support it until it restructures in a way that the original republican core political agenda returns.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2009, 02:58:20 PM » |
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And Rush is not and has never been the voice of the party. He's the crazy entertainer that non-educated, religious zealots listen to. Republican leaders, and the people donating all their money to further republican agenda, think Rush is a crazy wacko that just happens to convince the other nut jobs that voting Republican is voting for god.
PS, I'm one of the moderate, not crazy, Republican that thinks the current party is a joke and can't support it until it restructures in a way that the original republican core political agenda returns.
Wait, so you don't like Rush Limbaugh... yet you want the GOP to return to its core agenda... So basically you've just contradicted yourself. |
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2009, 03:31:38 PM » |
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And Rush is not and has never been the voice of the party. He's the crazy entertainer that non-educated, religious zealots listen to. Republican leaders, and the people donating all their money to further republican agenda, think Rush is a crazy wacko that just happens to convince the other nut jobs that voting Republican is voting for god.
PS, I'm one of the moderate, not crazy, Republican that thinks the current party is a joke and can't support it until it restructures in a way that the original republican core political agenda returns.
Wait, so you don't like Rush Limbaugh... yet you want the GOP to return to its core agenda... So basically you've just contradicted yourself. OR you listen to Rush too much. |
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2009, 04:07:38 PM » |
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And Rush is not and has never been the voice of the party. He's the crazy entertainer that non-educated, religious zealots listen to. Republican leaders, and the people donating all their money to further republican agenda, think Rush is a crazy wacko that just happens to convince the other nut jobs that voting Republican is voting for god.
PS, I'm one of the moderate, not crazy, Republican that thinks the current party is a joke and can't support it until it restructures in a way that the original republican core political agenda returns.
He has been since the loss in November left the GOP without a leadership. He's a voice, a loud obnoxious one, but a voice that the hardcore righties flock to. That, and the way that elected officials pussyfoot around him and agree with whatever he says makes him the leader. He's moved from being the fringe to mainstream republican in the last 3 months. |
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