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Author Topic: Scrivener - Writing application  (Read 749 times)
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« on: January 23, 2007, 07:41:54 AM »

I stumbled across this article and thought that it may be interesting to those writers out there.  A different approach to word processing and tailored much more towards the writer and less towards the business or student environment.

http://www.43folders.com/2007/01/21/scrivener-review/

Great looking tool if you have a mac, and if you're series into writing and media you should get a mac anyways!


The mac mini is only $599
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sarahstaby
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 09:57:54 AM »

Sometimes I think about getting software specifically for writing; one of these days I'll just get one.  I'll take a look at this one.  Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 02:40:25 PM »

Ooh, I gotta get my hands on that.

The screenwriting portion looks a lot like the Movie Magic Screenwriter program I've used (which would have cost me well over $200 if I had bought it), but apparently Scrivener has all these other great features, too. And very, very reasonably priced. Other software for writers rarely ever comes in under $100 -- but under $50?

Yes, there's no excuse for not having a Mac if you're serious about those things. I feel ashamed.

I'm going to get my hands on this and a Mac Mini, then I'll post my own review. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2007, 03:01:57 PM »

Another writing program I just found by browsing through the Scrivner page is here:

http://www.softwareforwriting.com/pagefour.html

"PageFour contains none of the business oriented features that clutter up other word processors. Indeed, it was the presence of these very features that prompted the design of this product."

It runs in Windows. I'll download the demo and give it a try. Not as nice as Scrivner, from what I see, but it might be nice.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2007, 10:23:39 PM »

Oo! Definitely tell me how that goes.  Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 03:11:46 PM »

PageFour wasn't exciting, and it seemed to be too-beta, too incomplete. I didn't mess with it much, and now that I have my hands on a Mac, I most likely never will.

Here's my first impression of Scrivener.

I still have to get used to OSX and how to interpret shortcut keys. That aside, Scrivener is better than PageFour, and with a whole lot more features.

First, a few gripes: I'm not sure all the features are useful (like the corkboard or outlining), or useful in a way that I like. I found the customization of the paper and background irritating that it wasn't showing a preview of what it would look like and I couldn't figure out how to use graphical backgrounds (but there's not really any reason to tweak these from the default anyway). The tutorial that came with the demo wouldn't open (read-only), but I'm not claiming to have tried all the intelligent approaches to getting it to work.

To recap and compare with the article Latro linked above:

"Personally, I like the excellent fullscreen mode, built-in (round-trip) outliner, tricked-out Inspector, and all-in-one form factor, but my favorite feature (which can be hard to explain without actually using the app for yourself) is Scrivener?s use of the index card and corkboard metaphor."

Fullscreen is nice, I still haven't been able to figure out how the outliner is useful; I don't get the Inspector, either, or why I would want to use it (probably because I'm not familiar enough with Macs); I don't know what the form factor referrenced is; the index cards and corkboards are useless to me right now, but I can see how it might be nice to slap together a general idea with index cards and then detail the writing as I go along in whatever order I wish to go about writing the story. Could be a nice feature in the future.

Overall, from what I've experienced, is it better than my previous PC+Word setup?

Yes. No question about it.

1) I'm happy I'll never have to shell out however much money for Word for Mac (bonus for how much Scrivener actually costs); I can't think of a reason why I'd want Word now.

2) Scrivener's wide range of features are clearly designed with the writer in mind, and the software is continuously updated to include new features, tweaks, etc.

3) Fullscreen mode is sexy for no-distraction writing, plus the little task bar at the bottom shows useful information such as a running word count. Being able to write in a text/layout format that looks good, and then let the software worry about converting it into submission-standard layout is lovely.

Cons I can think of so far:

1) Compatibility with older .docs -- I don't know how/if this works.
2) No on-the-fly grammar check. The grammar check in Word can be annoying, wrong, and doesn't substitute having reall grammar skillz, but it's still nice to have to catch that overlooked subject-verb
disagreement or whatever.

And, for a few questions you might have, but probably don't ...

Does Scrivener "distract" from writing? Well, if you've got nothing to really write about, definitely. It seems like there are a lot of things to play with, but in reality I'm not sure I can say there are a lot (I'd call it plenty of fine-tuning and a clear integration of features asked for by forum users). There are less things to mess with than featured in Word (which is a good thing).

Does Scrivener make you a better writer? No. Does it help? Not much, if at all.

Does Scrivener make you want to write? Also, no.

Does Scrivener make you a better organized writer? Only if you use the features designed to help organization, or if you want to use the tools, and even then, probably only marginally. I really can't say that keeping all your research, notes, etc. in one software package is in any way superior to keeping all that in one binder/folder/directory.

Is Scrivener worth buying a Mac just to be able to use? No. (But having a Mac is worth buying a Mac for).

So what's the main selling point to get someone to switch from their current PC setup? If you like to pay lots of money on a hobby by telling yourself that it'll help you write more and be more productive and motivate you, or to make you feel special, or to feel more of a writer because it's specialized equipment you're using now ... mm, maybe this is good route to go (if you can't afford a ghost writer). Or if you have the money for something new to use for writing.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 01:58:42 PM »

Wow, thanks for posting such a complete review.  Sounds like this would be a nice little luxury, but wouldn't be of any valuable use to me.  I'm more of a scatterbrained writer.  Any effort to plot or organize things just ends up confusing me.  Well, have fun with it.

Cheers! Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 10:25:57 AM »

Yes, but now I must post my mid-impressions for follow-up now that I've used it more.

I didn't think there would be much use for corkboard/synopsis/notes, but once I converted my half-novel to Scrivener, things started feeling a whole lot more managable. Having things organized is very nice, and the notes are really useful for when I get inspiration for future bits while I'm writing but don't have time to get to immediately. I can also have notes on what my intention was for the chapter, as far as voice or point-of-view, or how it relates to the book as a whole. Plus, there's the luxury of looking at the chapter-by-chapter breakdown.

I'm still of the view that, while outlining and all that might be fine for some writers, I don't believe in plotting first, or outlining, or anything of the kind. On the other hand, once you've already got a mess on your hands, it does help to have tools to organize and remember what you meant to do, and to get them into sync.

As far as writing the first draft, I much prefer the Mac-Scrivener setup to my desktop/Word (I prefer a notebook to a PC any day for writing, though). But, I don't care for Mac when it comes to revision/rewriting. I need more than one mouse button (and there's no way in hell a touch pad is going to work with as much cutting and copying and jumping around that I do); I also need Encarta dictionary tools (having a couple other reference books on hand is nice, too, but Encarta's fastest).

The Macbook is fantastic for the first draft (and, because I'm either so unfamiliar or uncomfortable with the touchpad and ways of editing, part of why it's so great is that I'm not tempted to revise/edit or try to make things sound right, instead I'm just putting down everything and getting that first draft done). But for editing and reworking, I'm still very much in favor of the PC.

So, in brief, here's my ideal setup:

Writing: Macbook with Scrivener (second best would be a small notebook, with a similar 4-hour battery life)
Revising: PC desktop (19" LCD or more), mouse, Encarta, reference books, coaster

That failing:

Pen & paper

Baseline:

Senior citizen in a rest home with a really long attention span and a tendency to say things like, "Oh dear!" and "Goodness!" (and possibly making soothing rocking-chair sounds).

Macs are all about luxury, though.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2007, 11:46:52 PM »

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/2/21/7109
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 09:10:11 AM »

I use Ywriter, its free and not much of a resource hog.  Just google it and you will find it.
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